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webo
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 Posted - 07/19/2010 : 10:45:11
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Based on the ADPs at mockdraftcentral.com and my rankings, these would be the options. Rank them in order for a non-PPR league:
-- Andre J/Grant/Colston
-- Andre J/Austin/Moreno
-- Andre J/Grant/Moreno
-- Turner/Austin/Colston
-- Turner/Austin/Moreno
-- Turner/Grant/Colston
In RD4, I could get Romo or Schaub. If Romo is gone, I'd be very happy with Schaub. I was a bit surprised that Romo's ADP is lower: 43 to Schaub's 48. I really like the idea of getting a QB of this caliber in RD4. I think it's going to be better value than taking Brees or Rodgers in RD1. |
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JBFFLbeast
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 13:41:17
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I'm not sure you'll get Romo or Schaub in round 4. I've been doing mocks at CBS and usually both go in round 3. Sometimes round 2.
I like the AJ/Austin/Moreno combo the best out of the group.
Though I think this combo is very likely and I'd like this one best of all
AJ/Grant/Rice |
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mrbaja
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 14:40:50
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AJ/Austin/Moreno/Romo would be an awesome start! Schaub would be a nice consolation prize in the 4th. (Note: I got Romo in the fourth round of a 14-teamer at MDC yesterday ... I was SHOCKED!)
The AJ/Grant/Rice combo JBFFLBeast mentions is interesting ... but should the negative buzz surrounding Rice in the offseason be cast aside? Should I assume Favre-to-Rice will continue to make beautiful fantasy production together? |
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webo
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 15:19:39
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Originally posted by JBFFLbeast
I'm not sure you'll get Romo or Schaub in round 4. I've been doing mocks at CBS and usually both go in round 3. Sometimes round 2.
I got Romo a few days ago in RD4 at mockdraftcentral, where his ADP is 43. CBS's mocks are notorious for QBs going early. Don't know how they're run now, but their default list used to have about 6-8 QBs in the top 12, so if 3-4 owners weren't in the draft room, there'd be 5-6 QBs gone after RD1. |
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JBFFLbeast
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 15:22:43
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| I'm not worried at all about Rice and of course I'm assuming Favre plays. If so, I believe Rice can be a top 5 fantasy WR this year but you can get him in mid round 3. |
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webo
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 16:47:15
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Originally posted by JBFFLbeast
I'm not worried at all about Rice and of course I'm assuming Favre plays. If so, I believe Rice can be a top 5 fantasy WR this year but you can get him in mid round 3.
I love him. I have him 8th, which is higher than most rankings I've seen. |
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LasVegas
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 21:04:55
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In my opinion, the following would be an AWESOME start:
Turner/Austin/Colston/Romo or Schaub
In the 5th, I would follow that up with your RB2 for sure - probably the likes of a Forte, Benson, Best, Felix Jones, B. Jacobs.
I would not mind that squad to start at all!! Top 5 RB, 2 top 10 WRs, a top 5 QB, and then your RB2 is a decent mid-tier guy. |
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webo
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 21:54:04
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Originally posted by LasVegas
In my opinion, the following would be an AWESOME start:
Turner/Austin/Colston/Romo or Schaub
In the 5th, I would follow that up with your RB2 for sure - probably the likes of a Forte, Benson, Best, Felix Jones, B. Jacobs.
I would not mind that squad to start at all!! Top 5 RB, 2 top 10 WRs, a top 5 QB, and then your RB2 is a decent mid-tier guy.
I agree. I like those four guys a lot. But you would never get Benson in RD5. His ADP is 18, and he's going by the end of RD2. The best I could do at 5.01 in a recent mock was R Brown.
Also, I am prepping for a draft in which we must start 3 WRs. So I'm not sure Colston would be there. It would depend on when Marshall (ADP 23), R White (26), DJax (28) and Rice (33) go. My RD3 pick would be the 29th guy taken. So it would be a bit of a gamble to take a RB at 1.05, because after that, I'd probably have to go WR-WR-QB or WR-QB-WR, and I'm just not sure how many WRs would be left, and I might have to dip into my third tier of WRs. |
Edited by - webo on 07/21/2010 21:58:30 |
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webo
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 23:00:38
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I tried Las Vegas' strategy and got this in a 12-team mockdraftcentral draft (standard scoring) out of the 5 spot:
Romo
Smith
Turner
Ricky W
M Bush
Forsett
Foster
K Smith
Austin
Rice
Ward
Knox
Shiancoe
Akers
Eagles D
I like it. I took Rice even though Colston was there. In RD5, I went with Hines Ward because we were already into the fourth tier of RBs, with Jacobs and Felix gone. I have Ward rated higher than most -- 17th among WRs. He's the last guy in that tier. I just figure that without Santonio, most of the receptions will go to Ward, with Wallace the deep guy who catches fewer passes for bigger yards. Ward's always been a good red-zone WR. I may reassess and put Sims-Walker and Nicks ahead of him. Your thoughts?
I'm going to do another mock with the same scoring and lineup requirements, and draft Andre J at 1.05 this time, and see what I get. |
Edited by - webo on 07/21/2010 23:01:38 |
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Bigbadtim2
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 23:41:27
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I didn't realize that people were that high on Grant. I doubt I end up owning him in many leagues. He doesn't catch many passes and I'm not really trusting him too much. I think I'd take a shot at a few other guys in that range of round 2.
A guy that I think is a little underrated this year is Joseph Addai. His ADP is 50ish or so and I think he's a steal there.
I think I'd be happy with a start like this...
AJ
P Manning
Moreno
Addai
I'd like that start. A top tier WR and QB combo and you still get 2 nice RBs IMO. I like Moreno and Addai. I think I like Addai more than Moreno, but it looks like the ADPs have Moreno quite a bit higher. |
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LasVegas
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Posted - 07/22/2010 : 01:46:01
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I am not a big fan of Addai, Brown, or any RB in Indi. They have had the 2nd worst rushing numbers over the last 2 years. Also, with the WRs in Indi getting even better now - 4 Deep with Reggie, Garcon, Collie, and Gonzalez coming back. Oh, and I almost forgot about a guy named Dallas Clark.
5 WRs on a pass-first team with a marginal to mid-tier O-Line. To me, that all adds up to no Indi RB being on my team in any of my leagues this season. |
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LasVegas
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Posted - 07/22/2010 : 01:49:00
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Also, I am intrigued by what people are thinking about Knowshon Moreno this year. He seems to be getting decently high praise.
Do you folks think that he is going to be a top 15 RB this year?
My thought is that Denver doesn't really have any WRs to speak of. Their best WR is a rookie that was hurt since the draft and is just now getting healthy (Demetrius Thomas). Eddie Royal is a joke. And Denver has a marginal QB.
Plus, doesn't Denver still have Correll Buckhalter, who actually outperformed Moreno last year?
All in all, I just don't see the fascination. Am I missing something? I just want to know what others are thinking about him this year. Maybe I am way off. |
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webo
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Posted - 07/22/2010 : 09:13:46
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I think I'd be happy with a start like this...
AJ
P Manning
Moreno
Addai
Yes, but I am not excited about Addai, either. Only one team ran fewer times than the Colts did last year, Addai hasn't averaged over 4.0 ypc the past 3 years and Brown is healthy after missing 5 games last year and could see much more action. Most importantly, I have to start 3 WRs, and I don't want to go into RD5 with just 1. I think the WRs with upside drop off quickly after RD3-4, and it seems to me there is better value for RBs after that. Last year, I got Rice in RD7 and Benson in RD8, and I'm hoping to do the same thing this year with guys like M Bush, Cadillac, Forsett, Portis, Hardesty. |
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webo
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Posted - 07/22/2010 : 09:17:08
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Originally posted by LasVegas
Also, I am intrigued by what people are thinking about Knowshon Moreno this year. He seems to be getting decently high praise.
Do you folks think that he is going to be a top 15 RB this year?
I have him at 15 right now, but he has no chance of going higher. I may drop him below Wells and Pierre. I have him that high because I have read numerous reports that he looks very good and that they'll ride him a bit harder this year. Let's not forget he had 1,150 total yards and 9 TDs last year. |
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webo
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Posted - 07/22/2010 : 09:17:53
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| Now, back to my draft. Las Vegas, did you like how it played out? And what about Ward? |
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LasVegas
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Posted - 07/22/2010 : 13:01:46
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I definitely like your potential starters in your draft.
Romo/Turner/Miles/Rice
I love the Romo to Miles combo. Also, when its all said and done, I think Forsett will be your RB2. Also, as of right now, Foster is the starter in Houston (not sure if that will last, but I like his upside).
If Favre comes back, Rice & Shiancoe will be solid players. But after reading today that Favre's ankle is not healing like he had hoped, etc., I am tempering my expectations for now. I am sure he will come back, but will he be as good as he was last year? Not sure you can expect him to once again reach career best numbers like last year.
So, overall, me personally, I am not as high on Rice as others. If you could have gotten say Roddy, Marshall, Colston, Wayne instead of him, I would have liked your lineup even more.
I am intrigued by Michael Bush this year. Reports say that he could push McFadden for the starting job, and if he does, he could be a steal at his current ADP.
I am not a big fan of Ricky Williams or of Ward, especially with no Ben Roth for 4 weeks. Ward will no doubt get his numbers - 700 or so yards, maybe 6-7 TDs is my guess. Decent, but not as my WR2. Good bye-week fill in. |
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webo
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Posted - 07/22/2010 : 15:49:14
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If you could have gotten say Roddy, Marshall, Colston, Wayne instead of him, I would have liked your lineup even more.
Colston was the only one available among those.
Ward 700 yards? I suppose, but he's had at least 975 yards in every 16-game season since 2004. I guess I don't see who's going to get their yards. I think Wallace stands to be the biggest loser until Big Ben comes back. Those deep passes require a strong, accurate arm, which Leftwich and Dixon don't have.
In addition, he would be my WR3, not WR2. I think he's a decent WR3. Do you like Nicks, Maclin, Harvin, Sims-Walker or Bowe better? Those are the guys in his range. |
Edited by - webo on 07/22/2010 15:52:00 |
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Bigbadtim2
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Posted - 07/22/2010 : 16:59:07
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Originally posted by webo
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I think I'd be happy with a start like this...
AJ
P Manning
Moreno
Addai
Yes, but I am not excited about Addai, either. Only one team ran fewer times than the Colts did last year, Addai hasn't averaged over 4.0 ypc the past 3 years and Brown is healthy after missing 5 games last year and could see much more action. Most importantly, I have to start 3 WRs, and I don't want to go into RD5 with just 1. I think the WRs with upside drop off quickly after RD3-4, and it seems to me there is better value for RBs after that. Last year, I got Rice in RD7 and Benson in RD8, and I'm hoping to do the same thing this year with guys like M Bush, Cadillac, Forsett, Portis, Hardesty.
I don't really care how many times the Colts run the ball. I care about fantasy points. Alot of people were worried about Addai going into last season too and he was the #7 RB in PPR leagues. I bet most people didn't realize that. He scored 15 more points than Ryan Grant last season, take out week 17 and it was more. I don't really see a big change...Brown was in Indy last year too.
He's going to catch alot of passes and the Colts are going to score alot of points. He'll get his fair share of rushing touchdowns, just like last year.
Addai isn't going to have many, if any, 100 yard rushing games and his upside is limited. That's why he's not going to be higher, but if I can get a guy that's probably going to be one of the top 12 scoring RBs in my league in the 4th-5th round, then I'll gladly take it.
I'll create an Addai thread and we can pick it upt there. |
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LasVegas
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Posted - 07/22/2010 : 20:28:42
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Originally posted by webo
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If you could have gotten say Roddy, Marshall, Colston, Wayne instead of him, I would have liked your lineup even more.
Colston was the only one available among those.
Ward 700 yards? I suppose, but he's had at least 975 yards in every 16-game season since 2004. I guess I don't see who's going to get their yards. I think Wallace stands to be the biggest loser until Big Ben comes back. Those deep passes require a strong, accurate arm, which Leftwich and Dixon don't have.
In addition, he would be my WR3, not WR2. I think he's a decent WR3. Do you like Nicks, Maclin, Harvin, Sims-Walker or Bowe better? Those are the guys in his range.
I would have taken Colston there over Rice. Just me tho and an argument could probably be made for Rice too.
As for the other guys over Ward - DEFINITELY.
I would have taken any of those guys over Ward (except for Bowe).
1. Sims-Walker
2. Maclin
3. Nicks
4. Harvin
I think these guys have far more upside than Ward in terms of yards and TDs. |
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webo
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Posted - 07/22/2010 : 23:05:18
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OK, I tried a few different things -- most notably taking Andre J in RD1, passing on Austin in RD2 to take Charles (the last RB in my second tier), then taking V Davis in RD5. Your thoughts? Next time, I will draft a QB in RD2 and see what that does.
Romo
Big Ben
Charles
Ricky W
M Bush
Forsett
McGahee
Andre J
Rice
Floyd
Knox
Burleson
V Davis
Akers
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webo
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Posted - 07/24/2010 : 18:12:16
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| Any thoughts on this last team? |
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