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webo
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 Posted - 07/14/2010 : 17:10:25
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Someone sure loves him some Johnathan Stewart. 
I think RD4 is too high for a guy who probably won't get even half of his team's carries. |
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SMars
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 17:38:06
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I will take Jonathan Stewart and his 1100-1200 yards plus 8-12 TDs any day in round 4 or 5.
We know some teams are going to run the ball heavy: Jets and the Panthers. Considering the RBBC there is nothing wrong with grabbing one of the RBs from these teams should you decide to go another direction with the first 2 picks. |
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SMars
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 18:00:41
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Ryan Grant is projected at 1600 total yards, 12 TDs. Stewart at 1400 yards, 12 TDs. One can be had in the 1-3 round, the other could be had in the 4-5 round area. Stewart had 221 carries to DeAngelo Williams 216 last year and Williams had this to say " Its going to be close to a 50-50 split no matter what. Thats what the coaching staff and the front office wants and its also what Jonathan and I want. Its good for both of us. We are at out best when that happens."
Here is another mock:
1. Randy Moss (NE - WR)
2. Miles Austin (Dal - WR)
3. LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB)
4. Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB)
5. Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR)
6. Justin Forsett (Sea - RB)
7. Brandon Jacobs (NYG - RB)
8. Julian Edelman (NE - WR)
9. Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
10. San Francisco (SF - DEF)
11. Steve Slaton (Hou - RB)
12. Terrell Owens (Buf - WR)
13. Alex Smith (SF - QB)
14. Heath Miller (Pit - TE)
15. Matt Prater (Den - K)
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LittleRockScott
Nothing better to do Member
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 19:24:38
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Originally posted by SMars
I had Favre picked at 9 and some how ended up with Crosby...lost connection, not sure. Favre was a top 5 QB last year I believe.
I've seen Favre go anywhere from 4th to 7th round in several mocks I have done. If he is there in 5th or 6th, I've generally taken him (just on principle!) and taken Kolb or Ryan as backup a few rounds later |
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LittleRockScott
Nothing better to do Member
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 19:29:16
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Originally posted by SMars
I will take Jonathan Stewart and his 1100-1200 yards plus 8-12 TDs any day in round 4 or 5.
We know some teams are going to run the ball heavy: Jets and the Panthers. Considering the RBBC there is nothing wrong with grabbing one of the RBs from these teams should you decide to go another direction with the first 2 picks.
My take on Stewart...I'll let someone else put with head ache of picking the 2 games where he may get those 100 yard 2 TDs...and the other times he'll maybe get 40 yards and nothing else. I'd rather pick someone like Bush(8-11), McFadden (8-11), Spiller(5-8), Tate (4-6)FJax, Maroney (8-11) in later rounds - guys that don;t have potential as Stewart, but could end up out producing him.
I had Stewart in 2 leagues last year...can you feel the bitterness??? |
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Edited by - LittleRockScott on 07/14/2010 19:30:15 |
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LittleRockScott
Nothing better to do Member
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 19:40:06
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Originally posted by SMars
Ryan Grant is projected at 1600 total yards, 12 TDs. Stewart at 1400 yards, 12 TDs. One can be had in the 1-3 round, the other could be had in the 4-5 round area. Stewart had 221 carries to DeAngelo Williams 216 last year and Williams had this to say " Its going to be close to a 50-50 split no matter what. Thats what the coaching staff and the front office wants and its also what Jonathan and I want. Its good for both of us. We are at out best when that happens."
Here is another mock:
1. Randy Moss (NE - WR)
2. Miles Austin (Dal - WR)
3. LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB)
4. Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB)
5. Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR)
6. Justin Forsett (Sea - RB)
7. Brandon Jacobs (NYG - RB)
8. Julian Edelman (NE - WR)
9. Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
10. San Francisco (SF - DEF)
11. Steve Slaton (Hou - RB)
12. Terrell Owens (Buf - WR)
13. Alex Smith (SF - QB)
14. Heath Miller (Pit - TE)
15. Matt Prater (Den - K)
My takes...and overall personal draft thoughts...
Love those WR's, including Nicks and the late round spec pick on TO!!!!I wouldn't pick Edleman that high with Welker a decent shot to return by week 1. I am really liking Malcom Floyd, Maclin, or TJ around 8-10 rounds at WR.
I don't like McCoy (just not sold on him even with Westbrook gone) or Stewart there. If they were available, would have taken say Matthews, Wells, or Charles. Like the Forsett pick, wondering if you could have waited. If his stock rises though in next month though, who knows.
Like SF Def in 10th...that seems right. Sidenote: If I could take Jets in say round 6-7, I would pull trigger, tink tey will be that dominant. Otherwise, tragetting Miami def in last 2-3 rounds.
Heath Miller at TE...that's tough. Finely is one guy I'd love to have say in round 6-8. Also, and this is tough because I usually wait until later rounds to select TE, but have been toying with takeing Gates or Clark in say round 4-5 if I don't like the other options at WR, RB, and QB out there (which has been common esp in 12 team mocks)
I'm not sold on Flacco as a #1 or Smith as a #2,,,ore a #2 and #3 respectively.
Hope that doesn;t come off as harsh...just my quick views I've been mocking as well, and understand its a work in progress. |
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LittleRockScott
Nothing better to do Member
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 19:43:29
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Originally posted by SMars
Thought I would try another mock:
1. Randy Moss (NE - WR)
2. Ryan Grant (GB - RB)
3. Sidney Rice (Min - WR)
4. Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB)
5. Dwayne Bowe (KC - WR)
6. Brent Celek (Phi - TE)
7. Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
8. Steve Slaton (Hou - RB)
9. Mason Crosby (GB - K)
10. Brett Favre (Min - QB)
11. Eddie Royal (Den - WR)
12. Malcom Floyd (SD - WR)
13. Laurence Maroney (NE - RB)
14. Cincinnati (Cin - DEF)
15. Donald Brown (Ind - RB)
Love the Celek, Floyd, Maroney, Cincy, and Brown picks at the back end...and the Favre/Flacco combo. Brown is getting undervalued too much - a good backup with potential.
I'm not as high on Rice as other folks...just think Harvin is going to cut into more of his productivity this year. Stiull, he's a good pick at round 3. |
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webo
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11761 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2010 : 22:25:13
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Originally posted by SMars
Ryan Grant is projected at 1600 total yards, 12 TDs. Stewart at 1400 yards, 12 TDs.
Once again, you have to look at when Stewart did most of his damage last year: when Deangelo was hurt. 1400 yds and 12 TDs is really, really optimistic -- unless you are certain Deangelo is missing a bunch of games. |
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SMars
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Posted - 07/15/2010 : 03:40:03
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Originally posted by LittleRockScott
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Originally posted by SMars
I will take Jonathan Stewart and his 1100-1200 yards plus 8-12 TDs any day in round 4 or 5.
We know some teams are going to run the ball heavy: Jets and the Panthers. Considering the RBBC there is nothing wrong with grabbing one of the RBs from these teams should you decide to go another direction with the first 2 picks.
My take on Stewart...I'll let someone else put with head ache of picking the 2 games where he may get those 100 yard 2 TDs...and the other times he'll maybe get 40 yards and nothing else. I'd rather pick someone like Bush(8-11), McFadden (8-11), Spiller(5-8), Tate (4-6)FJax, Maroney (8-11) in later rounds - guys that don;t have potential as Stewart, but could end up out producing him.
I had Stewart in 2 leagues last year...can you feel the bitterness???
Dude you are angry because none of those guys will out produce Stewart this year. |
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SMars
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Posted - 07/15/2010 : 03:44:06
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Originally posted by webo
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Originally posted by SMars
Ryan Grant is projected at 1600 total yards, 12 TDs. Stewart at 1400 yards, 12 TDs.
Once again, you have to look at when Stewart did most of his damage last year: when Deangelo was hurt. 1400 yds and 12 TDs is really, really optimistic -- unless you are certain Deangelo is missing a bunch of games.
Appreciate the input Webo and I will check the per game stats but he still produces. I actually wished I had him last year. Every publication I read has him in top 15 RBs. |
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webo
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Posted - 07/15/2010 : 09:31:01
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Appreciate the input Webo and I will check the per game stats but he still produces. I actually wished I had him last year. Every publication I read has him in top 15 RBs.
I had Stewart last year in a TD-based league. Like Little Rock said, there were some boom games, especially when Deangelo was limited. But a ton of bust games. He had 1,272 total yards and 11 TDs last year, and that was with Deangelo down for 5 games. So I don't know how anyone could project 1,400 yds and 12 TDs.
I'm relying on ESPN, Yahoo and CBS, and none of the 3 has him in the top 15. |
Edited by - webo on 07/15/2010 09:31:50 |
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SMars
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Posted - 07/15/2010 : 19:31:56
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How about this one guys?
1. Steven Jackson (StL - RB)
2. Miles Austin (Dal - WR)
3. Sidney Rice (Min - WR)
4. Steve Smith (NYG - WR)
5. Jahvid Best (Det - RB)
6. Justin Forsett (Sea - RB)
7. Brett Favre (Min - QB)
8. Santana Moss (Was - WR)
9. Derrick Mason (Bal - WR)
10. Steve Slaton (Hou - RB)
11. Greg Olsen (Chi - TE)
12. Ben Roethlisberger (Pit - QB)
13. Dallas (Dal - DEF)
14. Josh Scobee (Jac - K)
15. Jermaine Gresham (Cin - TE)
Webo one of the magazines I have, Pro Football Weekly and Yahoo Sports has Stewart at exactly 15 others higher others lower but in this draft Stewart went in the 2nd round. |
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SMars
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Posted - 07/17/2010 : 17:55:25
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Tried another, liking how my teams turn out when I wait on a QB. Only other thing is I would like to have Zach Miller over Olsen but oh well:
1. Rashard Mendenhall (Pit - RB)
2. Ryan Mathews (SD - RB)
3. Steve Smith (NYG - WR)
4. Marques Colston (NO - WR)
5. Hines Ward (Pit - WR)
6. Derrick Mason (Bal - WR)
7. Justin Forsett (Sea - RB)
8. Michael Bush (Oak - RB)
9. San Francisco (SF - DEF)
10. Carson Palmer (Cin - QB)
11. Ben Roethlisberger (Pit - QB)
12. Terrell Owens (Buf - WR)
13. Greg Olsen (Chi - TE)
14. Donald Brown (Ind - RB)
15. Matt Prater (Den - K) |
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webo
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Posted - 07/17/2010 : 20:17:53
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| There's no way I'll be hitching my wagon to Palmer in a money league. Worth a try in a mock, I suppose, to see what else you can get. |
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SMars
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 01:59:16
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There's no way I'll be hitching my wagon to Palmer in a money league. Worth a try in a mock, I suppose, to see what else you can get.
You dont think with strong FFB roster and Cincinnati's improvements at WR and TE are enough to draft Palmer later? The insurance policy in Roethlisberger should help no? |
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webo
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 12:53:08
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Originally posted by SMars
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Originally posted by webo
There's no way I'll be hitching my wagon to Palmer in a money league. Worth a try in a mock, I suppose, to see what else you can get.
You dont think with strong FFB roster and Cincinnati's improvements at WR and TE are enough to draft Palmer later? The insurance policy in Roethlisberger should help no?
I think Palmer will be better this year. But it's still a ball-control team. They've never used the TE, so I don't think Gresham will have a huge impact. Yes, Big Ben is a nice insurance policy. I just wouldn't feel very good about 4-6 games with Palmer, especially since the Pats, Ravens, Panthers and Browns are the first 4 games. This strategy could work. But I think QBs are too important to wait that long. I'm not a RD1 guy and very seldom even RD2. I think there's great value in getting a guy like Romo in RD4-5. Basically, I want one of the top 8 QBs. |
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SMars
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 13:28:53
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I am trying to get a top 8 guy as well but I dont see that happening without taking a QB in the first 3 rounds unless you are willing to take a guy later that has potential to crack the top 8 but with risk ala: Flacco, Palmer, Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, McNabb.
In all honesty those defenses are not to terribly tough but I will check the stats. If I remember correctly the Pats and Ravens can be passed on. The Panthers lost one of the best defensive players in the league and the Browns are the Browns.
I appreciate the thoughts please keep them coming. |
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SMars
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 14:22:56
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Webo how about this?
1. Randy Moss (NE - WR)
2. Miles Austin (Dal - WR)
3. Steve Smith (NYG - WR)
4. Jahvid Best (Det - RB)
5. Felix Jones (Dal - RB)
6. Justin Forsett (Sea - RB)
7. Eli Manning (NYG - QB)
8. Steve Slaton (Hou - RB)
9. Zach Miller (Oak - TE)
10. Santonio Holmes (NYJ - WR)
11. New Orleans (NO - DEF)
12. Ben Tate (Hou - RB)
13. Golden Tate (Sea - WR)
14. Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K)
15. Matt Cassel (KC - QB) |
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webo
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11761 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2010 : 17:41:21
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Originally posted by SMars
Webo how about this?
1. Randy Moss (NE - WR)
2. Miles Austin (Dal - WR)
3. Steve Smith (NYG - WR)
4. Jahvid Best (Det - RB)
5. Felix Jones (Dal - RB)
6. Justin Forsett (Sea - RB)
7. Eli Manning (NYG - QB)
8. Steve Slaton (Hou - RB)
9. Zach Miller (Oak - TE)
10. Santonio Holmes (NYJ - WR)
11. New Orleans (NO - DEF)
12. Ben Tate (Hou - RB)
13. Golden Tate (Sea - WR)
14. Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K)
15. Matt Cassel (KC - QB)
Love Moss and Austin. I like your previous team better because of your RB depth. For me, I'd probably have gone with an elite QB in RD3 over a third straight WR. But both teams look pretty good. |
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webo
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 17:49:47
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I am trying to get a top 8 guy as well but I dont see that happening without taking a QB in the first 3 rounds.
It's important to know your league. In the money league I won last year, the 5th QB didn't go until the end of RD4. I'll take that any day. In my friends league, I got stuck with McNabb in RD4. I thought I knew the drafting pattern based on the research I did on previous drafts -- I was certain I could get the 5th QB at my RD4 spot -- but the QBs went off quickly and I didn't want to wait until RD5-6 and get stuck with a borderline QB2. So even knowing the league isn't always the answer. I'd rather err on the side of drafting my QB potentially too early than too late. That's just me. You'll get some goofballs who draft two QBs early so they have trade bait. I don't want to have to trade away my depth to get the QB I should have gotten to begin with. |
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